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		<title>Comment on The American Dream by Rosetta Thurman &#187; Next Generation Nonprofit Bloggers of Color React to Inauguration of Barack Obama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosetta Thurman &#187; Next Generation Nonprofit Bloggers of Color React to Inauguration of Barack Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Loryn Wilson: The American Dream [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Black People, Decorum and Privilege by 7thour</title>
		<link>http://elledub08.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/black-people-decorum-and-privilege/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>7thour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I&#039;ve added your blog to my links, hope you don&#039;t mind!

http://poetic-sense.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve added your blog to my links, hope you don&#8217;t mind!</p>
<p><a href="http://poetic-sense.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://poetic-sense.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on WAT? Roger Sterling in Blackface???? by Dan Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was incredibly shocked to see Roger Sterling in blackface, for the exact same reasons you were.  It really made me think that if guys did blackface in the 1960&#039;s, are there people who do it today?  I&#039;d hate to think so, but at least it&#039;s considered far more socially unacceptable now.

It doesn&#039;t change my opinion of &quot;Mad Men&quot;, because that&#039;s still a great show whose intention is not exploitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was incredibly shocked to see Roger Sterling in blackface, for the exact same reasons you were.  It really made me think that if guys did blackface in the 1960&#8217;s, are there people who do it today?  I&#8217;d hate to think so, but at least it&#8217;s considered far more socially unacceptable now.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t change my opinion of &#8220;Mad Men&#8221;, because that&#8217;s still a great show whose intention is not exploitation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amber Rose in Complex Magazine: Sexy Beast (?) by The Sphinx</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Sphinx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White ppl kkknow (totally didn&#039;t mean to type the extra k&#039;s, my finger slipped, but I decided to leave it) what they&#039;re doing when they do stuff like this. Like the Obama chia pet thing. There&#039;s no way you wouldn&#039;t know that making a CHIA PET for the president is wrong. He didn&#039;t make a chia pet for Clinton. He didn&#039;t make one for Jefferson. So why Obama. 
And Amber should&#039;ve known better than to get in a cage to pose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White ppl kkknow (totally didn&#8217;t mean to type the extra k&#8217;s, my finger slipped, but I decided to leave it) what they&#8217;re doing when they do stuff like this. Like the Obama chia pet thing. There&#8217;s no way you wouldn&#8217;t know that making a CHIA PET for the president is wrong. He didn&#8217;t make a chia pet for Clinton. He didn&#8217;t make one for Jefferson. So why Obama.<br />
And Amber should&#8217;ve known better than to get in a cage to pose.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black People, Decorum and Privilege by Kjen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kjen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a wider point of view:
I understand the argument to an extend. But as far as helping to end/avoid racism, I no longer think that being the super duper Negro with exceptional manners is the way to go. Whether you&#039;re the good or bad boy, if you&#039;re a minority, you&#039;re going to encounter racism. 

From a narrower view:

But looking at the &quot;outbursts&quot; individually, and considering their natural talents, wealth, past success and career field, Serena and Kanye have not made the &quot;dumb nigger&quot; faux pas some people seem to think. In other words, they&#039;re going to be able to live this down and go on with their careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a wider point of view:<br />
I understand the argument to an extend. But as far as helping to end/avoid racism, I no longer think that being the super duper Negro with exceptional manners is the way to go. Whether you&#8217;re the good or bad boy, if you&#8217;re a minority, you&#8217;re going to encounter racism. </p>
<p>From a narrower view:</p>
<p>But looking at the &#8220;outbursts&#8221; individually, and considering their natural talents, wealth, past success and career field, Serena and Kanye have not made the &#8220;dumb nigger&#8221; faux pas some people seem to think. In other words, they&#8217;re going to be able to live this down and go on with their careers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black People, Decorum and Privilege by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the idea that Kanye and Serena are getting hammered harder because of race. I think that unfortunately the &quot;race is a factor&quot; argument is too slippery a slope because it hypothetically can implied nearly all the time. If any black person is caught doing something wrong the argument can always be dragged out &quot;If a white person did it they wouldn&#039;t have gotten it as bad&quot;
The way the media is, if you were looking for stories about Kanye West you could find them if you wanted. If you wanted to ignore the story you could to. The idea that they went overboard on Kanye is to think that the media doesn&#039;t go overboard on everything, look at how Kate from John &amp; Kate has been ripped viciously. The idea that the media pours onto a controversy is just part of the 24 hour media.
When McEnroe was playing there were only 3 networks and no 24 hour news, and people did hate McEnroe back in the day. The reason people don&#039;t seem to remember so well is because you&#039;d have to be near 45 years old to remember tennis in McEnroe&#039;s day and also that nostalgia has a habit of glossing over part of the past. If you research it, you will see McEnroe often got point penalties for arguing and was even thrown out of games for misconduct. He has recovered now 20 odd years later, but if a lot of people did not care for him in the early 80s.
I guess the only thing I think of with the whole race is a factor thing, is Michael Richards and how his career is basically over at this point, he&#039;ll be on Curb, but no one is giving him roles. Mel Gibson does not star in movies anymore and has to self-finance the ones he directs. So I think Kanye and Serena are pretty bad examples of it being a race thing. They both have the privilege of being rich which trumps most everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the idea that Kanye and Serena are getting hammered harder because of race. I think that unfortunately the &#8220;race is a factor&#8221; argument is too slippery a slope because it hypothetically can implied nearly all the time. If any black person is caught doing something wrong the argument can always be dragged out &#8220;If a white person did it they wouldn&#8217;t have gotten it as bad&#8221;<br />
The way the media is, if you were looking for stories about Kanye West you could find them if you wanted. If you wanted to ignore the story you could to. The idea that they went overboard on Kanye is to think that the media doesn&#8217;t go overboard on everything, look at how Kate from John &amp; Kate has been ripped viciously. The idea that the media pours onto a controversy is just part of the 24 hour media.<br />
When McEnroe was playing there were only 3 networks and no 24 hour news, and people did hate McEnroe back in the day. The reason people don&#8217;t seem to remember so well is because you&#8217;d have to be near 45 years old to remember tennis in McEnroe&#8217;s day and also that nostalgia has a habit of glossing over part of the past. If you research it, you will see McEnroe often got point penalties for arguing and was even thrown out of games for misconduct. He has recovered now 20 odd years later, but if a lot of people did not care for him in the early 80s.<br />
I guess the only thing I think of with the whole race is a factor thing, is Michael Richards and how his career is basically over at this point, he&#8217;ll be on Curb, but no one is giving him roles. Mel Gibson does not star in movies anymore and has to self-finance the ones he directs. So I think Kanye and Serena are pretty bad examples of it being a race thing. They both have the privilege of being rich which trumps most everything.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black People, Decorum and Privilege by Elisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insight post!

The racial and gendered overtones here seem much more prominent to me than even the lack of privilege. Let me be clear: I think both Serena and Kanye acted like spoiled children and their actions shouldn&#039;t be excused. However, the public reaction has been um, a little lopsided (esp with Serena). 

Even on CNN they were discussed the way McEnroe used to act and how much he used to swear - so much so they couldn&#039;t even show a &#039;bleeped&#039; clip on the air - but how he was different because he never &#039;menaced&#039; an official, etc. I cry bullshit. I think the reason people are criticizing Serena more is that she&#039;s a (black) woman. Women aren&#039;t &quot;supposed&quot; to get all angry and in someone&#039;s face. They are just supposed to accept what is given to them and get over it. 

While I honestly think Kanye West is just a jackass, I can still smell some of that racial/gender stink around the coverage of his actions. Here comes a black man jumping up on stage and menacing a small, white woman. It&#039;s enough to make the white media freak right now. And yeah, that&#039;s what they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insight post!</p>
<p>The racial and gendered overtones here seem much more prominent to me than even the lack of privilege. Let me be clear: I think both Serena and Kanye acted like spoiled children and their actions shouldn&#8217;t be excused. However, the public reaction has been um, a little lopsided (esp with Serena). </p>
<p>Even on CNN they were discussed the way McEnroe used to act and how much he used to swear &#8211; so much so they couldn&#8217;t even show a &#8216;bleeped&#8217; clip on the air &#8211; but how he was different because he never &#8216;menaced&#8217; an official, etc. I cry bullshit. I think the reason people are criticizing Serena more is that she&#8217;s a (black) woman. Women aren&#8217;t &#8220;supposed&#8221; to get all angry and in someone&#8217;s face. They are just supposed to accept what is given to them and get over it. </p>
<p>While I honestly think Kanye West is just a jackass, I can still smell some of that racial/gender stink around the coverage of his actions. Here comes a black man jumping up on stage and menacing a small, white woman. It&#8217;s enough to make the white media freak right now. And yeah, that&#8217;s what they did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guest Blogger: Maia&#8217;s Descent is No Laughing Matter by Americana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Americana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree when this was Brittany and her very infamous meltdown the media and public were RIGHT THERE with blankets and lemonade asking if she was ok and doing their damndest to protect and support her. Not that she didn&#039;t have her share of haters but it&#039;s always a very different story when the person is white and female prefarbly blond and pretty. Me and my niece used to love that show[except when Debbie Allen left]that&#039;s really sad to see what&#039;s happened to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree when this was Brittany and her very infamous meltdown the media and public were RIGHT THERE with blankets and lemonade asking if she was ok and doing their damndest to protect and support her. Not that she didn&#8217;t have her share of haters but it&#8217;s always a very different story when the person is white and female prefarbly blond and pretty. Me and my niece used to love that show[except when Debbie Allen left]that&#8217;s really sad to see what&#8217;s happened to her.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WAT? Roger Sterling in Blackface???? by Mad Men &#38; Blackness: An anti-climax?? &#171; Charcoal Ink &#8211; Proud Member of the Mike Mafia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Men &#38; Blackness: An anti-climax?? &#171; Charcoal Ink &#8211; Proud Member of the Mike Mafia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Black Girl Blogging is a Mad Men fan. I found out about this through Basket of Kisses, the pre-eminent Mad Men fan site online. Elle at BGB has written some pieces on the new episodes of series 3 of the critically acclaimed series [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Black people on Mad Men (or lack thereof) by aulelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>aulelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t really agree with Coates&#039; theory that having lack of black people is an incredible statement about how privilege works.

It isn&#039;t a statement, it is &lt;i&gt;reality&lt;/i&gt; so to me that is stating the obvious in a eurocentric world.

I really like MM but the writers are missing a trick by not including bigger black characters.

Sheila &amp; Kinsey didn&#039;t even kiss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t really agree with Coates&#8217; theory that having lack of black people is an incredible statement about how privilege works.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a statement, it is <i>reality</i> so to me that is stating the obvious in a eurocentric world.</p>
<p>I really like MM but the writers are missing a trick by not including bigger black characters.</p>
<p>Sheila &amp; Kinsey didn&#8217;t even kiss!</p>
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